[Lachesis]

I dunno about everybody else but I think there are some pretty atrocious key mappings in MZX, and I know these have been carried around for ages and I'm not really trying to blame anyone. I just want to have a general discussion about editor keymappings and maybe the ability to have a user-configurable editor key scheme before any formal suggestions are made.

1) D and ALT+D
It's been noted before that ALT+D has no business working outside of the palette editor, and there have been complaints before about the proximity of S and D. D could be remapped to ALT+D since it's a screen that could easily allow one to permanently delete game data (as has happened to me before).

2) P, ALT+M and ALT+P
Does anybody use P or ALT+M to edit things? I mostly use Enter and it seems like most other people I've talked to do too. I didn't even know about ALT+M! I'm just curious about this one, and I guess Old Sckool submitted a request to have ALT+P replace P. ALT+M could be replaced with CTRL+N or something

3) ALT+G
ALT+G is not mapped to anything. I would like it if ALT+G allows you to edit the Global Robot without having to navigate through the global menu every time

[nooodl]

I agree with 1 and 3, but I'm sure some people use P:

<lolilover> also I'm used to using p
<lolilover> if you change it i will cut you

(ALT+M, though, seems pretty useless)

EDIT: it's not useless, I'm dumb; moving it doesn't seem as drastic though

This post has been edited by nooodl: 14 January 2012 - 12:29 AM

[Lachesis]

If ALT+M does get used a lot it could probably be moved somewhere more useful, in the proximity of enter/insert/delete/arrows. Backslash? It sounds like something I might consider using if the positioning were more convenient...

[zzo38]

Lachesis, on 13 January 2012 - 05:11 PM, said:

1) D and ALT+D
It's been noted before that ALT+D has no business working outside of the palette editor, and there have been complaints before about the proximity of S and D. D could be remapped to ALT+D since it's a screen that could easily allow one to permanently delete game data (as has happened to me before).

Actually, ALT+D outside of palette editor had a different function in DOS MegaZeux.

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3) ALT+G
ALT+G is not mapped to anything. I would like it if ALT+G allows you to edit the Global Robot without having to navigate through the global menu every time

I agree with this. (In my own version, G F6 will do that too but making ALT+G do that is also a good way to make it work.)

[Exophase]

These changes seem reasonable. What does P do again? >_>

zzo38, on 14 January 2012 - 12:23 AM, said:

Actually, ALT+D outside of palette editor had a different function in DOS MegaZeux.

What function would that be? I thought it was the same, but the original editor's source was an absolute nightmare so it's hard to say by looking at it. And because no one used alt+D.

[Lachesis]

ALT+D changed the selected built-in enemy to the default color for that kind of enemy or something equally inane, there's a thread for it in the bug reports but I think moving Delete Board to ALT+D is a better solution anyway. P changes the parameter of the buffered object, and apparently some people do use it so I'll just back off of that one. What I said about ALT+M still stands for me, it seems like a bad keystroke for something that's potentially pretty useful.

edit: here you go, including zzo's implementation of the original ALT+D behavior

This post has been edited by Lachesis: 18 January 2012 - 10:40 PM

[Exophase]

Ah okay. I'm kind of torn. I guess the original function is pretty harmless but also very close to useless. Maybe use it if and only if no one can think of something better to use ALT+D for?

[Lachesis]

No seriously, Delete Board should be to be moved to ALT+D, I can't tell you how many times I've accidentally deleted boards while trying to save and carelessly hitting enter without really looking, which is easier than it sounds because you'll rarely ever want to change the name of the MZX file when you save, and I'm not even close to the only one it's happened to. It can easily become a habit to press enter a split second after you press S, which is obviously a problem if you happened to unwittingly press D instead of S. Yeah yeah keep backups but that's not the point, the point is that it shouldn't be that easy to erase data. Both of the other hot keys that can delete a ton of stuff I can think of are ALT hot keys and in pretty harmless positions. Maybe the original ALT+D could be put on D.

[Exophase]

... right. You did say that before didn't you. Second on that one then.

It's not like board delete is such a common thing to need, although this will make deleting a big group of them more work.

[zzo38]

Exophase, on 18 January 2012 - 01:53 PM, said:

What function would that be? I thought it was the same, but the original editor's source was an absolute nightmare so it's hard to say by looking at it. And because no one used alt+D.

Toggle a flag, that tells it whether or not to select default color for some built-ins when placed. When switched off, it uses the color you currently have.

[T-Bone]

Dude... I cannot tell you how many f*cking times I've deleted boards without even knowing, while trying to actually save. I automatically have programmed myself over the past decade to hit S, then enter twice. Sometimes I accidentally hit D and it asks me if im sure if i want to delete the board, but by then i've already far too quickly confirmed it. Its hilarious how many times I ask myself way later down the road, "heyy where did that board go".

ALT+D great idea. Since its not a common request to do. Generally only when your proofing your game in the end for removal of dead boards/useless boards.

(I don't care for the default colors of things anymore)

[T-Bone]

I used to use "P" many years ago for changing the attributes of the built-in enemies and such. But I'm pretty sure this is the same as pressing "Enter" on them?

This post has been edited by T-Bone: 20 January 2012 - 09:29 PM

[zzo38]

T-Bone, on 20 January 2012 - 02:27 PM, said:

Dude... I cannot tell you how many f*cking times I've deleted boards without even knowing, while trying to actually save. I automatically have programmed myself over the past decade to hit S, then enter twice. Sometimes I accidentally hit D and it asks me if im sure if i want to delete the board, but by then i've already far too quickly confirmed it. Its hilarious how many times I ask myself way later down the road, "heyy where did that board go".

ALT+D great idea. Since its not a common request to do. Generally only when your proofing your game in the end for removal of dead boards/useless boards.

(I don't care for the default colors of things anymore)

You could add a config.txt option to swap D with ALT+D (when using the old ALT+D)

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I used to use "P" many years ago for changing the attributes of the built-in enemies and such. But I'm pretty sure this is the same as pressing "Enter" on them?

Does P grab the tile for placement as well, or is it ENTER that combines function of P and INSERT together?

[Lachesis]

P is for the object already in the buffer. Enter is: ALT+M (Modify; for robots, scrolls, signs on the board), then Insert (copy to buffer), then P (for built-ins and customs already in the buffer), then it replaces what's on the board if anything was changed. Probably (haven't looked at the code)...

This post has been edited by Lachesis: 21 January 2012 - 05:23 AM

[T-Bone]

I just realized ALT+D makes the colour scheme default to a VERY old colour scheme. The RED looks almost pink. Kinda reminds me of MegaZeux 1998 lol