[17:00:22] <@Wervyn> Alright, so, the focus of this meeting is, "My God, we've created an FF7 clone!" [17:00:25] I don't want to do that [17:00:30] oh yeah [17:00:35] I caught wind of that.. [17:00:39] Frankencloud. D: [17:00:45] Trev-MUN hushes. [17:00:46] <@Tixus> The meeting's officially started, then? [17:00:49] averagecloud [17:00:49] <@Tixus> Somebody grab Es. [17:00:55] <@Wervyn> It's 5:00, yeah. [17:01:06] Tixus: Es is snugly behind his away message :( [17:01:09] zztramp grabs wildly at various things [17:01:11] Been so for most of the day. [17:01:12] brb [17:01:20] <@Tixus> I saw him return a second ago... [17:01:24] <@Wervyn> I had wanted Es in here mostly because I thought we might try brainstorming on the Senior Games scenario at one point. [17:01:25] <@Tixus> But he must've left again like a pansy. [17:01:33] He's still away on mine. Huh. o_o [17:01:41] Es [~hooptybot@64.151.173.202] has joined #batcafe [17:01:45] ChanServ [services@esper.net] has set mode +o Es [17:01:49] WELL THERE HE IS. [17:01:51] <@Wervyn> Oho, he's just in time. [17:01:54] <@Tixus> Heeeeere's Johnny! [17:01:57] <@Es> >=( [17:01:58] <@Es> Hey babies. [17:02:02] * Es busts through the wall [17:02:04] =D [17:02:07] [17:02:09] <@Es> I don't see why I have to be the guest of honor... [17:02:10] <@Wervyn> OH YEAH!!! [17:02:18] <@Wervyn> You're not, we were starting without you. [17:02:19] <@Es> Heh, The Shining. [17:02:22] <@Es> Good. [17:02:28] <@Wervyn> Trev is the guest of honor today. [17:02:36] <@Tixus> What am I? [17:02:39] <@Wervyn> You're the leftovers. [17:02:46] <@Tixus> Story of my life. :((( [17:03:31] <@Tixus> Okay, somebody start! [17:03:35] <@Wervyn> Anyway, this has been expounded upon some already, but the story has some striking similarities to FF7. [17:04:11] <@Wervyn> In the characters in the main party, certainly. We brought up the Materia-Mako/Lorium-LC parallel, but I'm not really that concerned about that. [17:04:14] <@Tixus> Okay, list all of them. [17:05:10] <@Wervyn> And in our nebulous government ruled by some dead guy's son, which we can probably fix by making less nebulous. [17:05:22] <@Tixus> Yeah.. [17:05:53] <@Wervyn> That was always kinda weird to me, FF7 basically had no political structure at all. Either that or the whole world was just one giant empire with about ten little villages in it. [17:06:07] That's typical for most RPGs, I think ... [17:06:21] <@Wervyn> Unfortunately yes. [17:06:23] The worlds are way too oversimplified for a global theater. [17:06:37] The Ys series solves this by focusing on small reigons in an area the size of Europe. [17:06:53] But that's tangiental. [17:07:12] If you ask me though, I do feel that even SotF feels simplified to an extent. [17:07:13] <@Wervyn> Right. First rule, Demetra is big. Really big. [17:07:24] Only three nations on the planet, each covering its own continent? [17:07:53] <@Wervyn> Yeah. Convenient to no end. [17:09:09] <@Wervyn> The origins of these nations is a question to me, as well. Especially considering Terinthia and Garantine are supposed to be sort of similar, that suggests there's a common root. [17:09:11] <@Es> That could be changed, but that's the simplified version. [17:10:12] <@Wervyn> Now, Garantine is certainly interested in empire building, if only for the sake of controlling resources. [17:11:05] <@Wervyn> Terinthia, though... [17:11:07] Lancer-X [~Ishvara@ppp121-47.lns1.bne3.internode.on.net] has joined #batcafe [17:12:06] What's their deal? [17:12:16] <@Wervyn> So, there are also differences, despite whether they fall into other RPG cliches, they aren't featured in FF7 so much. [17:12:42] Oh yeah sotf thing. Now I remember [17:12:56] <@Wervyn> Seeing as FF7 doesn't even have countries. [17:13:07] <@Wervyn> Barring maybe Wutai. [17:13:35] Hrm. Well, for the most part ... [17:13:51] Countries/nations in Final Fantasy games are more like city states if anything. [17:14:00] Wutai being an obvious example. [17:14:10] I'd consider the same for Corel too, however. [17:14:21] <@Es> You could have each nation broken down into provinces if necessary. [17:14:23] Thus, an empire is any country that actually has more than one city. :D [17:14:36] <@Wervyn> Part of that I get to take credit for, seeing as Staera doesn't fall into any of the FF7 character archetypes, unlike pretty much all of the other main characters. [17:14:39] <@Es> But for all practical purposes, one continent bears one nation, and I think it helps with the story. [17:14:42] Like Secret of Mana. "WE OWN THREE CITIES!" "That's quite an accomplishment! *clap clap clap*" [17:15:00] <@Wervyn> Heh... [17:15:28] Alternate idea ... [17:16:09] Terinthia and Garantine could be empires in and of themselves, like Es was hinting at--the same way the Macedonian Greek empire, the Roman empire, the Mongolian empire, and the British empire were comprised of peoples and historically indepdendent countries. [17:16:24] The Brits owning India for example. [17:16:28] <@Wervyn> Hmm. [17:16:57] <@Es> Yeah, however. [17:16:58] So at one point there were many nations on both continents until Terinthia and Garantine whupped them all and consolidated the continents into empires. [17:17:13] For the third continent, I don't think it'd hurt if it was made up of many smaller nations, would it? [17:17:33] A diverse land that's not unified, which also helps underscore the "battle between giants." [17:17:38] <@Wervyn> Rikst would definitely not be into the empire game. [17:17:55] The various tiny countries taking sides. [17:18:18] <@Wervyn> It's considerably smaller, though. But that could underscore why it was so quiescent to rule. [17:19:13] Hrm. Well--as long as it's still continent sized in some fashion. I mean, I think Europe is the smallest of the continents in the world (not sure on this), but look how many nations it has. [17:19:16] <@Wervyn> No real sense of cultural identity, just a scattering of vaguely distinct nations. [17:19:57] <@Wervyn> Or maybe cohesion is really the thing, here. [17:20:38] <@Wervyn> They haven't consolodated into a united collection of states, so they pretty much just let each other get overrun. [17:21:10] Yeah. That'd work. [17:26:45] ChanServ [services@esper.net] has set mode +o Wervyn [17:26:48] Channel synchronized in 4.787 seconds [17:26:54] <@Wervyn> Grr. [17:26:54] Last thing I got from you was this, Wervyn: [17:26:57] They haven't consolodated into a united collection of states, so they pretty much just let each other get overrun. [17:26:57]

Yeah. That'd work. [17:26:57] * Wervyn (~Wervyn@adsl-218-43-228.asm.bellsouth.net) Quit (Ping timeout) [17:27:12] <@Wervyn> I'm pretty sure that's the last thing I sent. [17:27:20] <@Wervyn> What did I miss? [17:27:31] Nothing else--I was gonna say something and made like Beige. [17:27:39]

I think that sort of thing has happened in history but I can't recall any particular examples, of a group of -- :( [17:28:22] <@Wervyn> Oh yeah, I was about to ask if we wanted to start specifying, actually naming provinces on each of the continents. [17:28:53] Trev-MUN nudges Es and Tixus and bramble. [17:28:54] <@Es> I think only when essential to the story. [17:29:54] <@Wervyn> Hmm. [17:30:15] <@Wervyn> But I think we do probably want to let that be the basic political structure. [17:31:26] <@Wervyn> Alright, so what next... [17:31:58] <@Tixus> hrm [17:33:20] <@Wervyn> I wonder how it is that all of Garantine so quickly accepted LC power while all of Terinthia rejected it. [17:34:06] Well, if it's been established that Garantine has an oppressive tinge ... [17:34:10] Government enforcement always works. [17:34:17] "We're gonna build that @(&*! highway no matter what!" [17:34:57] <@Wervyn> Garantine I almost have to see as a dictatorship. Maybe a subtle one, but I don't think there's any room for argument with the President. [17:35:30] <@Wervyn> Terinthia with their Council is a republic, no doubt. [17:36:57] <@Wervyn> It all feels so weakly based, though. [17:37:30] Rev\Out [~xor@as01-415.user.start.ca] is now known as Revvy [17:37:53] <@Wervyn> And Rikst probably mirrors feudal Japan. [17:38:14] Hrm. [17:39:32] <@Es> Eh, I don't see Japan so much. [17:39:37] <@Wervyn> So should we get off this and start looking at the Senior Games scenario? I'd said it would be nice to try and brainstorm some on that. [17:39:41] <@Es> I'd compare it to more of a middle-Eastern nation. [17:39:53] <@Es> Or Soviet nation. [17:40:03] doggone [17:40:07] I was gone doing something [17:40:10] <@Wervyn> Hmm. [17:40:28] can you guys say everything you said before? let's start the meeting over, please [17:40:39] zztramp [~Brambleki@c-68-82-6-116.hsd1.de.comcast.net] is now known as bramblezzt [17:40:43] <@Wervyn> Get it in the log. [17:40:52] heh, I'm totally joking [17:40:56] ok [17:41:49] <@Wervyn> But I suppose a collection of arab states works, they never have seemed to figure out how to form a real union. [17:42:30] The Arab states, as far as I know, also have a pretty varying range of governments too ... [17:42:47] Some are monarchies, others are somewhat theocratic, some are more republic or democratic ... [17:43:04] THen there are of course, outright despotic... [17:43:34] <@Wervyn> Right. [17:44:31] <@Wervyn> Es, what do you think about the Senior Games? [17:45:02] <@Wervyn> What was your original idea for that arc? We need to figure out what happens in it. [17:46:35] Sai`ke[walk] [sqiu@v158.vpn.tue.nl] is now known as Sai`ke [17:46:46] <@Wervyn> Because there are a couple things that have to happen. Rather, both Rita and Rail, and maybe others on their team, have to distinguish themselves. [17:47:20] <@Wervyn> Central, Rita's team, is going to win, and maybe that's enough for her, but what's Rail going to do? I never did figure that part out. [17:47:48] <@Wervyn> Es? [17:49:22] <@Wervyn> Does anyone else have any ideas, since Es seems to have been struck dumb? [17:49:39] One night stand they both regret [17:50:07] <@Wervyn> Heh, no. [17:50:18] Pfft. [17:50:45] <@Wervyn> Probably not the right way to get the Academy to notice you. [17:50:56] In an alternate universe just now, Wervyn took Revvy up on the idea but wrote it so that it was actually Rita and Rail spending one night together at a hot dog stand. [17:50:58] Trev-MUN ducks. [17:51:11] Hot. [17:51:16] <@Wervyn> Heh. [17:51:27] seven [seven@dsl081-116-226.dfw1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #batcafe [17:51:49] <@Wervyn> Gang's all here, now. [17:52:04] <@Wervyn> seven, do YOU have any ideas about what to do with the Senior Games? [17:52:10] Just to put it out in the open, not as if it matters too much, but aren't the senior games a ton like Ender's Game? I mean, it all makes sense in SotF, I just was thinking about that. [17:52:24] <@Wervyn> Yeah, they're sort of like that. [17:52:44] Not sure what the Senior Games are or the whole layout of it, so I can't comment except to say that wargames are military convention. [17:52:49] <@Wervyn> Except the participants are significantly older, and they're played on a much larger field in two dimensions. [17:53:02] yeah I know =\ [17:53:17] Self-perpetuating ones that are used to perform military strategy and research, however ... [17:53:23] It fits though, it's fine [17:53:31] yeah [17:53:33] like that [17:53:48] <@Wervyn> Alright, the rules of the games are essentially: there are four teams, each having three beacons they have to protect. The other teams try to get past their defenses and "light" their beacons. [17:54:13] <@Wervyn> When a team's last beacon is lit, they're out of the competition. The whole thing is basically a free-for-all. [17:54:30] Revvy [~xor@as01-415.user.start.ca] has quit IRC: Read error: Connection reset by peer [17:54:46] Yeah, there were a few pages written about it. [17:54:46] Revvy [~xor@as01-415.user.start.ca] has joined #batcafe [17:54:49] did we only have one page? [17:54:52] <@Wervyn> The sizes of the teams, not really sure. Maybe 28 to a team... [17:54:58] <@Tixus> Kinda capture the flag-ish? [17:55:05] Oh, so much huger than I thought [17:55:06] <@Wervyn> Kinda. [17:55:23] <@Wervyn> Except more about holding territory. [17:55:46] <@Wervyn> Maybe a bit similar to UT Domination. [17:56:06] Not like capture at all... no bringing stuff back, you just get there, you light it, and it's done [17:56:23] so what happens when you're shot? [17:56:29] just a zap and "game over" or what [17:56:40] I forget-- [17:56:43] <@Wervyn> Right, but you might have to hold the position, we'd discussed the possibility of a team being able to unlight a beacon. [17:56:51] oh ok [17:57:15] <@Wervyn> As for getting shot, the sensor vests keep track of damage, I expect. Once you've taken too much, you're dead, and out of the game. [17:58:49] <@Wervyn> I don't know about concessions for medics and such. [17:59:12] <@Wervyn> Now, if ES would show up and say something about what was his idea originally, I'd sure appreciate it. [17:59:51] EEE-EEEES [18:00:24] <@Wervyn> He just sort of left. [18:00:33] yeah seriously [18:00:42] is he on Dmzx or anything? [18:01:19] <@Wervyn> Well he's active, for sure. [18:02:01] <@Wervyn> Thing is, I really don't have a whole bunch of ideas for what to do with this sequence, but I definitely want it in the story because it's a great opportunity to explore the characters. [18:02:08] <@Wervyn> And especially bring some depth to Rita. [18:02:14] <@Es> Hmm. [18:02:31] <@Tixus> ! [18:02:34] <@Tixus> Get him! [18:04:05] D: [18:04:18] <@Wervyn> So, Es? Input? [18:04:58] <@Es> One night stand they both regret [18:04:58] <@Es> Heh, no. [18:04:58] <@Es> Pfft. [18:05:18] I was right! [18:05:21] <@Es> I kinda popped out after the countries discussion, but. [18:06:06] <@Es> My ending for the senior games was Rita devises some brilliant tactic to help out her team in the end game, kind of ensuring her spot in City. [18:06:22] <@Wervyn> Yeah. And what about Rail? [18:06:34] <@Es> Never really had an idea for him. [18:07:32] At first I thought Tixus was trying to call for a dog pile on Wervyn for wanting to add depth to Rita. Eheh. XD; [18:08:10] <@Wervyn> Heh, Rita must be kept shallow and one-dimensional! [18:08:15] Revvy [~xor@as01-415.user.start.ca] is now known as Rev\Dinner [18:08:28] Also, As for getting shot, the sensor vests keep track of damage, I expect. Once you've taken too much, you're dead, and out of the game. [18:08:36] Might I suggest possibly looking at how Starship Troopers did it for ideas? [18:08:43] They had a capture the flag training sequence. [18:08:50] <@Wervyn> Alright, how did they do it? [18:08:53] NO UNORIGINALITY WILL STAND [18:08:55] Sai`ke [sqiu@v158.vpn.tue.nl] has quit IRC: Quit: sleep HO HO HO [18:09:25] Each soldier in the CTF team wore colored sensor vests and carried some kind of blaster rifle that shot in colors. (iBlaster!) [18:09:28] When struck ... [18:09:46] The vest would shock the player and partially incapitate them that way. [18:09:57] Kinda like getting hit with a mild taser, enough to make you flop like a fish. [18:10:10] <@Wervyn> Hmm. [18:10:34] It didn't knock you unconcious or leave you unable to communicate, but it was very hard to do anything. Kinda prevented cheating in a way. [18:10:41] <@Wervyn> That seems like it would work. [18:13:21] yeah [18:13:27] then they would be carried out? [18:14:02] "We have a kid immobilized! Get the stretcher!" [18:14:08] ..or not. [18:14:19] <@Wervyn> There'd probably be some sort of evac protocol. [18:14:32] that, or we could go for an ender's game thing [18:14:45] you get shot on the sensor, it locks your suite [18:14:48] hardens the material [18:15:02] so you freeze, basically, and you can't do a thing until the match is over [18:15:31] <@Es> Interesting. [18:15:43] :shrugg: [18:15:47] <@Es> I always thought it'd be more of a deal where you're expected to play by the rules... [18:15:49] <@Es> But yeah, either way. [18:16:18] <@Wervyn> If you can cheat, someone will cheat. [18:17:08] <@Tixus> Hrmm, wish I could contribute more to this meeting. [18:17:24] <@Tixus> There's not a lot for me to discuss this time around, I suppose. [18:17:25] <@Es> No more than you can cheat at football. [18:17:27] <@Es> There'd be refs. [18:17:52] <@Wervyn> I suppose, but it's a big field with lots of obstacles, and it's at night and it's dark. [18:18:21] <@Wervyn> And 112 players on the field. [18:18:24] <@Tixus> So, wait.. [18:18:33] <@Tixus> If there are refs, then what is this mystery event going to be? [18:18:48] <@Es> Yeah, I'm just putting stuff out for consideration. [18:19:04] <@Wervyn> Huh? Mystery event? [18:19:07] awp noobs!!!!1 [18:19:58] <@Tixus> What's going to happen at the games? [18:20:01] <@Tixus> ...game. [18:20:32] <@Wervyn> Again, we only know the basic stuff. Rail and Rita each stand out in some way, Rita's team wins. [18:20:47] <@Tixus> Okay... [18:21:06] <@Tixus> War games are definitely not my area. [18:23:55] <@Wervyn> Hmm. [18:24:08] <@Wervyn> So, no concrete ideas there. [18:24:46] <@Wervyn> Alright, anyone want to talk about what happens in Terinthia? [18:25:07] <@Tixus> Sure. [18:25:11] <@Tixus> But I might be going soon. [18:25:23] <@Tixus> When they get to Terinthia, who all is in Rail's party? [18:25:36] <@Tixus> Have they caught on to Janice, yet? [18:25:42] <@Tixus> Is Fern still with them? [18:25:44] <@Wervyn> A good question. I'd been thinking, to keep things interesting, Priste may have left. [18:26:01] <@Tixus> Priste, gone? [18:26:15] <@Wervyn> Fern, unless we figure out a way to have them rescue her, is almost certainly not with them. [18:26:40] <@Tixus> Well, I don't remember Fern getting snatched... [18:27:06] <@Wervyn> She gets snatched by Indigo and taken to wherever, we discussed this last time. [18:27:37] <@Tixus> I don't remember it. [18:27:44] <@Tixus> But.. [18:27:49] <@Tixus> I guess I remember it from your post. [18:28:10] <@Wervyn> Yes, I made reference to it there. [18:28:40] <@Wervyn> Now, it's possible they immediately try to head out after her. [18:28:55] <@Wervyn> But I'm not sure how they would know where to go. [18:29:58] <@Tixus> Priste and Indigo are supposed to have some rivalry thing going. [18:30:16] <@Wervyn> So, Priste. Priste might leave because of Staera, because they're surely going with her if they go to Terinthia, and he certainly doesn't like her very much, obvious reasons. [18:30:52] <@Tixus> Hey, remember the part with him trying to shoot her? [18:31:09] <@Tixus> He should blast off her arm. xD [18:31:13] <@Wervyn> Also, they'd be defecting, and Priste may decide that his loyalties lie with Garantine, for whatever reason. The scenario where he and Rail end up fighting each other is enticing. [18:31:21] <@Wervyn> Heh. [18:31:55] <@Tixus> Werv: Weren't they going to team up and fight that jerk from the beginning? [18:32:10] <@Wervyn> That jerk? [18:32:29] <@Tixus> Lenstresnre [18:33:03] <@Tixus> I just had a scenario go through my head. [18:33:12] <@Wervyn> Lenstre may just end up being one of those transient characters who makes one appearance and then disappears forever. But it might be possible to bring him back again. [18:34:15] <@Tixus> Like, right after the train incident, Crew 6X or whatever is contacted via radio and told to return to Garantine immediately. [18:34:22] <@Tixus> And then that could lead to a split. [18:34:43] <@Wervyn> That's possible. [18:34:53] <@Tixus> Or at the very least, that could be where the party doesn't follow orders and then gets labeled as traitors. [18:35:07] <@Wervyn> Right. [18:35:08] <@Tixus> "so guys, u wanna go back?" [18:35:23] <@Tixus> "no lets look around" [18:35:37] <@Tixus> "we need to get fern. :(((" [18:35:50] <@Wervyn> "But thou must!" [18:35:53] <@Tixus> "you mean indigo" [18:35:59] <@Tixus> "yea him" [18:37:01] <@Tixus> Shadow Hearts Covenant had the best parody of the whole illusion of choice in RPGs. [18:37:13] <@Wervyn> Oh? [18:37:32] <@Tixus> I'd have to think back to just how it went... [18:38:24] <@Tixus> It was pretty much just along the lines of... [18:39:00] <@Tixus> "what do you want to do now?" and all three choices are the exact same thing with different wording. [18:39:13] <@Wervyn> Heh. [18:39:36] <@Tixus> Wish I could find a game script or something so I could see just what it was. [18:39:53] <@Tixus> All I remember is it happened two times, and the last option was "Well, guess I've got no choice." [18:40:45] <@Tixus> Now... [18:40:48] <@Tixus> Here's what I think. [18:40:54] <@Wervyn> Alright? [18:41:07] <@Tixus> When everyone's ordered to go back to Garantine, that's when Janice leaves, if she hasn't already left before that. [18:41:25] <@Tixus> I don't think she should have any confrontation with the characters until much later... [18:41:34] <@Wervyn> Probably so, [18:41:47] <@Tixus> That, or they find out on their own that she turned on them... [18:41:59] <@Wervyn> She'd have a real aversion to going to Terinthia, the way we've built her character. [18:42:01] <@Tixus> And when they encounter the next time, it's not so much "guess what! it was me!!" [18:42:05] Heh, the senior games. [18:42:14] Yeah, I do, but I won't be able to write enough to properly contribute. [18:42:22] <@Tixus> As much as it is just "why did you do it?" [18:42:28] not to mention, I believe it was I who totally made those so difficult. [18:42:59] <@Wervyn> seven: Probably so, but I don't know if we'd have made progress either way. [18:44:48] <@Wervyn> Priste and Staera's confrontation in the church, now... [18:44:54] <@Tixus> Don't know if Priste should split up or not. [18:45:01] <@Wervyn> I know I've talked some about it with you privately, Tixus. [18:45:33] <@Tixus> Since he has this rivalry with Indigo going, it seems like too much to just pass over. [18:45:40] <@Wervyn> Yeah, that is a point. [18:46:47] <@Tixus> I gotta go make dinner now. [18:46:51] <@Wervyn> Still, if Staera says "I want you to forget about Fern and Indigo for the moment and come with me so that I can speak to my superiors and figure out a plan of action"... [18:47:38] <@Wervyn> But I don't know if that's what they're going to do. [18:47:51] <@Wervyn> They definitely need a reason to go to Terinthia. [18:47:51] man, I am so confused [18:47:52] <@Tixus> Staera knows Fern's important. [18:48:04] <@Wervyn> Probably more than any of them, yes. [18:48:17] <@Tixus> This could be the event that forces Priste and Staera to cooperate...but is that what we want to happen eventually? [18:48:23] (I read that log and all, but it's getting all mixed up in my head..) [18:48:40] <@Wervyn> Eventually, yes. Now? Not sure. [18:48:51] <@Tixus> I know it's Astera in Staera that's doing that... [18:48:55] <@Wervyn> But I'm leaning more in that direction. [18:49:34] <@Tixus> I think they have to get Fern before they learn about the Lorilith. [18:50:15] <@Wervyn> If they rescue Fern, though, at some point she has to get taken again, though that might be very close to the time she gets possessed and everything goes to hell. [18:50:38] <@Wervyn> Maybe it even happens when they go to scope out the Lorilith. [18:51:15] <@Wervyn> Still, I think you're right. [18:51:57] <@Tixus> Why's she need to get taken? [18:52:23] <@Wervyn> Well, she needs to get possessed by Lithos, I'm pretty adamant about that happening. [18:52:33] <@Tixus> Yeah, that'll happen.. [18:52:39] <@Tixus> I always thought it just happens, though. [18:52:47] <@Es> when DUKE NUKEM FOREVER COMES OUT!!!! [18:53:00] <@Tixus> Heh, not this time. [18:53:03] like when she's tired and he meets her in a vision, forcing her to help him? [18:53:19] <@Es> Nah, this happens when she approaches the can we rename the damn lorilith =( [18:53:19] anyway I have to go guys [18:53:27] =( man [18:53:30] cya guys [18:53:31] <@Wervyn> I don't know, I never imagined it would be voluntary. [18:53:32] <@Tixus> =( [18:53:37] I'm trying to follow up with this story! [18:53:49] Wervyn: oh okay, well, whatever the case [18:54:00] foooooooood [18:54:03] bramblezzt [~Brambleki@c-68-82-6-116.hsd1.de.comcast.net] has quit IRC: Quit: [18:54:08] <@Tixus> Yeah, I also need food. [18:54:20] <@Tixus> When my Doug download finishes, I'm going. [18:54:22] <@Wervyn> Possibly immediately on contact with the Lorilith, assuming all of the others have also touched it. [18:54:31] <@Tixus> And I'm at 98%. [18:54:41] <@Tixus> Hmm...what would you rename it to, Es? [18:55:07] <@Es> Dunno. [18:55:16] <@Tixus> But if we rename it... [18:55:31] <@Tixus> Then nobody's going to get "president aries has stoled the golden lorilith toaster" :( [18:55:45] <@Wervyn> Aw... [18:56:01] <@Tixus> We can't sacrifice THAT. [18:56:07] <@Wervyn> I don't really think it's all that bad a name, besides maybe implying connections that aren't there. [18:56:40] <@Tixus> I think it changed its purpose... [18:56:49] <@Tixus> I like its new purpose better. [18:58:06] <@Wervyn> Want to go back to Priste and Staera, how do you think that gets resolved? [18:58:29] <@Wervyn> You had an idea that LC power just fails to work inside the church. [18:59:07] also, sorry i'm not talking much, attention is toward a client right now. [18:59:10] poverty sucks. [18:59:13] <@Tixus> Wasn't there a giant piece of Lorium in there? [18:59:13] work doesn't. [18:59:18] <@Wervyn> Yes, there was. [18:59:34] <@Tixus> Hmm, well...I don't think that could have much to do with it. [18:59:43] <@Tixus> If just Lorium prevented LC from working, then LC wouldn't work. [18:59:51] <@Wervyn> Right, that's not it. [19:00:04] <@Tixus> Maybe, though... [19:00:15] <@Tixus> You know, I'm thinking this should be a really important meeting. [19:00:25] <@Wervyn> It probably should be. [19:00:28] <@Tixus> And the fact that it doesn't work could signify that Lorius is very closely watching at this point. [19:01:02] <@Tixus> I've got about six minutes then I'm outta here.. [19:01:50] <@Wervyn> Alright, so, the gun goes click, and everyone sort of stands there, and Priste goes "...huh." [19:02:25] <@Wervyn> What next... [19:03:53] <@Wervyn> Ultimately the discussion is going to turn towards rescuing Fern, but we need to get them into a discussion. [19:03:56] <@Tixus> Staera probably wants to kill Priste. [19:04:08] <@Tixus> Right then and there. [19:04:40] <@Wervyn> Maybe. At this point she's on a slightly morbid, nihilistic bent, and may just not care. [19:05:01] <@Wervyn> Of course, that wouldn't necessarily prevent her from killing him out of spite. [19:06:26] <@Wervyn> But it's a safe bet she'd rather be dead, and just hasn't gotten to the point of actually considering suicide yet. [19:06:42] <@Tixus> So she might attack him... [19:06:59] <@Tixus> Something needs to break them up. [19:07:09] <@Tixus> Something...or some...one. [19:07:16] <@Tixus> SANCHO!! [19:07:26] yes [19:07:31] <@Wervyn> Rail could hit her again. More violence against women! [19:08:00] <@Tixus> Or he could just be like "HEY!" [19:08:49] <@Wervyn> Do you think maybe her aggressive, malice filled attack fails to work, too? [19:08:55] <@Tixus> Dunno. [19:09:27] <@Tixus> She might just be self-destructive--fighting against Priste knowing that he could physically beat the crap out of her in this state. [19:09:40] <@Tixus> My download just suddenly plummeted to 1kb/sec. [19:09:50] <@Tixus> On the very last tenth of a percent. :(((((( [19:09:53] <@Wervyn> Aw... [19:10:13] <@Terryn> haha, that will happen. [19:10:19] <@Tixus> Which means I'll be here longer. [19:10:26] <@Tixus> Fifteen minutes longer, maybe. [19:10:28] <@Terryn> I waited three weeks to get the last 300k on a 5 GB game. [19:10:34] <@Tixus> But I really wanted to go eat. [19:10:36] <@Wervyn> Terryn, tell us about your plans for Lieutenant Dressi. [19:10:40] <@Tixus> 5...6... [19:10:50] <@Terryn> (Ys VI - Ark of Napishtim DVD Special for the curious. :<) [19:10:52] <@Tixus> Oh, it's coming back slowly! [19:11:06] <@Terryn> Wervyn: I have none. I haven't looked at SotF in so long. [19:11:12] <@Tixus> Heh, Exo, siro and I played that over Christmas break. [19:11:25] <@Wervyn> Poor Dressi, he just sort of evaporated out of the story. [19:11:55] <@Tixus> I love how the game was full of unintentionally suggestive dialogue. :D [19:12:07] <@Terryn> I haven't played the English PS2 ver yet. [19:12:17] <@Terryn> Suprisingly, I haven't seen it in any stores. [19:12:20] <@Tixus> The time we played it... [19:12:54] <@Terryn> Hell, I own around 20 English RPGs that have been untouched. [19:13:02] <@Tixus> The whole thing was like... " I've been a bad priestess HERE IT COMES!!" [19:13:08] <@Wervyn> So, moment of silence, then enraged Staera flies across the room in an instant to tear of Priste's head? [19:13:09] <@Terryn> I just don't play games anymore. =/ [19:13:27] <@Tixus> Hmm, maybe. [19:13:58] <@Wervyn> Which I mean literally, because she CAN do that. [19:14:42] <@Wervyn> But Rail shouts "Hey, stop!" which brings her up short? [19:15:30] <@Tixus> I dunno... [19:15:46] <@Tixus> There's no real way of executing an almost-battle like that without it seeming kinda awkward and contrived. [19:15:56] <@Wervyn> Right, is my problem with it. [19:16:21] <@Tixus> And I don't think I can really brainstorm much longer on it. [19:16:27] <@Tixus> My stomach's thinking. [19:16:35] <@Wervyn> It has to proceed for at least a few blows before someone has time to react, and by that point a simple "stop" probably won't work anyway. [19:18:19] Lancer-Locus [~Ishvara@ppp100-30.lns1.bne1.internode.on.net] has joined #batcafe [19:18:23] <@Tixus> Hmm, yeah... [19:18:24] Lancer-X [~Ishvara@ppp121-47.lns1.bne3.internode.on.net] has quit IRC: Killed (NickServ (GHOST command used by Lancer-Locus)) [19:18:27] Lancer-Locus [~Ishvara@ppp100-30.lns1.bne1.internode.on.net] is now known as Lancer-X [19:18:28] <@Wervyn> My original ideas were somewhat different, as it was. [19:18:55] Rev\Dinner [~xor@as01-415.user.start.ca] is now known as Revvy [19:19:06] <@Wervyn> Priste's gun didn't fail to go off, she just instinctively blocked it and then looked at him like he was an idiot. [19:19:34] Quasar [~Anonymous@24-236-222-137.dhcp.aldl.mi.charter.com] has joined #batcafe [19:19:37] ChanServ [services@esper.net] has set mode +o Quasar [19:19:54] <@Tixus> I like the gun not firing, it adds a level of intrigue. [19:20:16] <@Wervyn> Thing is, if it comes to a fight, there has to be a way to level the playing field or Priste is going to get killed quick. If there's some presense or agant in the room that is preventing agressive Lorium use, somehow, that's a possibility. [19:20:51] <@Tixus> Well. [19:21:09] <@Tixus> Staera could decide to not use Lorium as a weapon since she's in a church...unless she doesn't care about that at this point. [19:21:48] <@Wervyn> She probably doesn't care about that, unless that's something that's been strictly drilled into her. [19:21:58] <@Tixus> Yeah, I was just thinking... [19:22:14] <@Tixus> That could've been something that they were taught was forbidden. [19:22:24] <@Wervyn> Like an actual tenet of church law, not just an obvious taboo. [19:24:17] Taitorian [~Mothman@adsl-68-77-92-80.dsl.ipltin.ameritech.net] has joined #batcafe [19:24:47] <@Wervyn> Wouldn't necessarily stop her from physically ripping him apart, though. If somehow she tries to twist his head off and Priste just looks at her like she's insane, and she realizes that suddenly she can apply the superhuman pressure she needs to do it... [19:25:12] <@Tixus> Hm. [19:25:16] human pez dispenser [19:25:17] <@Tixus> Well, Astera could always restrain her. [19:25:24] <@Tixus> And also... [19:25:28] <@Wervyn> There's that possibility too. [19:25:30] <@Tixus> Priste's not exactly a pushover himself. [19:25:41] <@Wervyn> Right, that counts in his favor. [19:25:45] <@Tixus> I mean, they're both soldiers. She might've had special Lorius training, but he's probably had rigorous training as well. [19:26:33] <@Wervyn> It is the problem, though, we over-powered Staera so much, initially. We need to find a way to stop her from god-moding. [19:28:44] <@Wervyn> Well, I guess that's enough for now. [19:28:48] Terryn [~byrony@66-79-92-4.dsl.peknil.grics.net] has quit IRC: Read error: Connection reset by peer [19:29:11] <@Tixus> Yeah, it's time for me to eat.