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TNW Yeah, just so you know.
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Posted 09 April 2004 - 01:41 PM
Just so that everyone's aware that The New Weirdland is not dead - in fact I've really been digging into it lately - here's a little screen from the ship battle...
A few random pieces of crap on the left to clean up there, but yes.
A few random pieces of crap on the left to clean up there, but yes.
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Posted 09 April 2004 - 11:23 PM
It looks like a standard rpg engine but I get the feeling like it's on field, like ChronoTrigger. But maybe it'd be a better idea to get an explaination out of the horse's mouth.. Es?
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Posted 09 April 2004 - 11:55 PM
Does this mean TNW is almost finished? Please let it be true...that'll give me motivation to get back to work on my own projects!
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Serious damage to important body parts pretty much ruins any plans you had for living. Bummer.
Serious damage to important body parts pretty much ruins any plans you had for living. Bummer.
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Posted 10 April 2004 - 03:06 AM
TNW's battle engine is a little bit left of center compared to most battle engines. The timing is an odd-duck mixture of real and turn-based time (actually predetermined turns, but you wait for them somewhat as if it's real-time). But the real difference lies in the fact that there is no distinction between regular and special attacks, and that the engine not only allows for switching weapons in the middle of combat, but encourages and sometimes requires it.
To clarify a bit: Every character is presented with the same three options on their turn - Attack, Draw, and Item. Item is pretty self-explanatory...
Attack opens the list of attacks/techniques that character has learned. The stronger/more advanced the attack, the more it drains from the character's Stamina meter, which regenerates slowly as the battle progresses (and can be refreshed more quickly with items.) When you've got lower stamina, you're restricted to your more basic attacks.
Draw allows the player to pick a new weapon out of their arsenal - takes a turn, but doesn't cost any stamina!
The magic lies in finding the sweetest combinations of weapons and attacks. Some weapons are stronger, more accurate, or have higher fire rates - some attacks target multiple baddies, or concentrate a whole can of whoop-ass in one spot. For example, equip Lyle with the Machine Toast weapon (fire rate 3x) and have him use his ultimate attack (10 hits distributed randomly.) That's 30 hits in one turn. Uber. (Don't worry, it goes quickly ^_^) The trade-off is that the Machine Toast is kinda weak, so you might want to consider a stronger weapon like the Heavenly Toast, in combination with an attack like the Flaming Supreme (one target, big damage.) Then, Lyle will totally punish one baddie of your choice.
Now, imagine this system with six playable characters at one time, including Lyle, NateJam, Es and three more - each with at least six attacks/techniques and several weapons - a bunch of funny enemies like the McLaughlin Group here - and you've got TNW's battle engine.
As for completion, the engine itself is about 80% finished, with just some damage/accuracy algorithms left to implement. What's not finished is all the individual character attacks - once those are done, you guys will have the first episode of TNW.
To clarify a bit: Every character is presented with the same three options on their turn - Attack, Draw, and Item. Item is pretty self-explanatory...
Attack opens the list of attacks/techniques that character has learned. The stronger/more advanced the attack, the more it drains from the character's Stamina meter, which regenerates slowly as the battle progresses (and can be refreshed more quickly with items.) When you've got lower stamina, you're restricted to your more basic attacks.
Draw allows the player to pick a new weapon out of their arsenal - takes a turn, but doesn't cost any stamina!
The magic lies in finding the sweetest combinations of weapons and attacks. Some weapons are stronger, more accurate, or have higher fire rates - some attacks target multiple baddies, or concentrate a whole can of whoop-ass in one spot. For example, equip Lyle with the Machine Toast weapon (fire rate 3x) and have him use his ultimate attack (10 hits distributed randomly.) That's 30 hits in one turn. Uber. (Don't worry, it goes quickly ^_^) The trade-off is that the Machine Toast is kinda weak, so you might want to consider a stronger weapon like the Heavenly Toast, in combination with an attack like the Flaming Supreme (one target, big damage.) Then, Lyle will totally punish one baddie of your choice.
Now, imagine this system with six playable characters at one time, including Lyle, NateJam, Es and three more - each with at least six attacks/techniques and several weapons - a bunch of funny enemies like the McLaughlin Group here - and you've got TNW's battle engine.
As for completion, the engine itself is about 80% finished, with just some damage/accuracy algorithms left to implement. What's not finished is all the individual character attacks - once those are done, you guys will have the first episode of TNW.
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Posted 10 April 2004 - 03:35 AM
:ooooo
I didn't know anything about the battle engine or the RPG elements until now, thanks for clearing all that up. This game is gonna rock.
I didn't know anything about the battle engine or the RPG elements until now, thanks for clearing all that up. This game is gonna rock.
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Posted 10 April 2004 - 03:37 AM
Wow. This looks great.
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"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their own conscience."
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Posted 10 April 2004 - 06:03 AM
Yays, Es rocks! 
I like the graphics....A LOT. Well, I don't like Lyle's head...but everything else looks ?bergood.
I like the graphics....A LOT. Well, I don't like Lyle's head...but everything else looks ?bergood.
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Posted 10 April 2004 - 05:03 PM
Yeah, the proportions for Lyle have been that way since Weirdland 4, and I've kept 'em ever since, because it leaves me plenty of room to give Lyle all kinds of goofy faces for different situations. That's part of the fun of writing the dialogue/story sequences - I get to animate the characters, too.
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Posted 10 April 2004 - 05:09 PM
he's not 1x1, he's 2 chars. i think.
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Posted 11 April 2004 - 05:38 AM
Hey any one know where I can get a copy of the SNL skit of the mclaughlin group?
The one with Dana Carvy and tom arnold? Man that one was a riot.
EDIT: TNW = awesome. cameo plz.
The one with Dana Carvy and tom arnold? Man that one was a riot.
EDIT: TNW = awesome. cameo plz.
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