[T-Bone]

Nash, on Jun 17 2006, 05:11 PM, said:

it's about time that exophase guy got banned that guy was a prick and didn't contribute anything to the community.

LMFAO! WTF lol hahaha what!!! ummmm ahhhh huh?

[Zenith Nadir]

good god, shut the hell up!

[Goshi]

wildweasel, on Jun 21 2006, 03:53 PM, said:

Pyro1588, on Jun 20 2006, 04:20 AM, said:

roland: effone was annoying, condescending, and a major jerk. and he showed no signs of changing or even shutting up. so yeah.

According to the ban report, he apparently also posted pr0n on the boards under an alternate account and was picked out by his IP address.

I'll say it again, your confusing him with a member with a similar avatar and all that called Eff One.

But then again I could be wrong.

[Bramble]

Exophase banned himself before as well, and decided to "come back." What is coming back to this community, anyway? It's not saying something big, like, "Oh man, I totally overreacted and now I'm back, forgive me." To me, it's more like, "Well I decided to sign on again and see what's going on.." didn't "come back" from anywhere. Just sat down at the computer out of curiousity or a good mood or boredom. I don't think Exophase is making anything absolute concerning staying and leaving; simply, for right now, I guess he's banned himself, and that's that.

[Pyro1588]

goshi: i know. we're talking about eff one, not roland.

[Goshi]

Pyro1588, on Jun 22 2006, 03:30 AM, said:

goshi: i know. we're talking about eff one, not roland.

Oh yeah... your right. I'm starting to get absent minded or something.

[Nash]

for some of the more n00bish people here, obviously my last comment was total sarcasm.

and for those of you talking about who's going to make the new mzx versions, who cares? mzx is perfectly fine the way it is. except for some really minor things here and there, there's really nothing about mzx that needs changing. honestly the amount of pressure some of you guys put on exophase about mzx is probably the reason he keeps leaving to begin with. if a new mzx version never came out again it would be perfectly okay by me. there's never going to be an "mzx online" or "super hi rez grafix" or any other of the crazy ideas some of you people have. megazeux is a RETRO GAME CREATION SYSTEM. and it's going to STAY THAT WAY.

[GetDizzy]

Actually this version has an assload of bugs that need fixing, mostly on the *nix side of things.

[Dr Lancer-X]

Nash, on Jun 22 2006, 04:39 PM, said:

for some of the more n00bish people here, obviously my last comment was total sarcasm.

actually we all took you at your word because nobody is ever sarcastic on the internet

[weasel]

Goshi, on Jun 21 2006, 03:22 AM, said:

I'll say it again, your confusing him with a member with a similar avatar and all that called Eff One.

But then again I could be wrong.

For the record, I'm not accusing him of being EffOne. I initially mistook him for EffOne because of the similar avatar and signature theme. I did my research. EffOne's alternate account was not Roland, as far as I can tell (rather, it was "Ste" or something).

[VinceP]

I don't see why you none of you guys really bother to study some C++, fix the bugs, and add new features yourself. Just because Exophase isn't here doesn't mean MZX is dead. Fixing bugs usually isn't a big challenge anyway.

I don't think Exophase belongs here anymore in my honest opinion. He has become a huge attention whore, crying about siro and his supposed "life troubles"; banning people left and right for making fun of him or those who are "behind him". I'm sick of hearing about poor little Exophase. I know that there are many people who agree with me, and others who will flame me for saying such a thing.

We don't need Exo. We don't need his em0ness holding back the production of MZX. He promises that he'll keep up his work and whatnot, after "his life has been sorted out". I'm tired of waiting on him. Hell, I would be more then happy to learn C++, study MZX's engine, and do some work on it. I don't understand why you guys don't do the same!

[Pancake]

Dude, I agree with you. I'm gonna try to learn how to change the source code of Megazeux as soon as I learn what software is needed. I think that most people are afraid of him leaving because he's the one who made the last few Megazeux versions.

[akai]

That's the spirit. I'm skeptical about the motivations of the rest of the community though

Not saying that it'll die -- eventually someone will come in to fill Exo's shoes. But it'll all be essentially the same

[Dr Lancer-X]

I'm knowledgable enough about most of the workings of the source (I've looked at it quite extensively when fixing bugs myself after reporting them, just so I'd have a working version and be able to continue work on my own stuff) to be able to continue work on it. However, I'm not going to do it if Exo is going to continue working on it. I asked him just this morning, and he said he doesn't know. So until he's sure I'm not touching it.

And MZX is NOT C++. The files are named .cpp files, but any yahoo off the street would be able to tell you that the code is C. If you go in and add C++ code to MZX I will personally hunt you down.

EDIT: Note that I'm not saying I'm necessarily the most qualified person in the community to continue working on it, but I'm willing to do it. If someone here wants to do it and can show themselves to possess the necessary skills, go ahead.

[burstroc]

VinceP, on Jun 22 2006, 12:35 PM, said:

We don't need Exo. We don't need his em0ness holding back the production of MZX. He promises that he'll keep up his work and whatnot, after "his life has been sorted out". I'm tired of waiting on him. Hell, I would be more then happy to learn C++, study MZX's engine, and do some work on it. I don't understand why you guys don't do the same!

aaaahahahaha

okay, okay. i was sick of exo's whineage as well, but that's a bit ungrateful, don't you think? i mean, mzx development was something he did in his own time. i can imagine he didn't get a whole lot of money. if i were exo, i would have quit coding mzx a long-ass time ago in favor of something more worthwhile. he stuck with it though, for you and the rest of the community.

if you really think your time is so worthless that you'd want to spend it learning c and the many facets of megazeux's code, don't let me stop you. but like nash was saying, it's probably pretty nice as it is, and doesn't need a whole lot of attention. that is, unless you want to spend your time learning how to fix the *nix port. but that's about 5% as worthwhile as working on the windows version, which is in itself about 1% as worthwhile as working on anything else, ever (except maybe zzt games :[ ).

as far as exo goes, i'm glad he's leaving, not because i had to put up with anything (actually it was really fun arguing with him sometimes), but because i know it's a step forward for him. chances are high he's moving on to do something more effectual than develop for a retro gcs.

edit: changed c++ to c in loving honor of necromancer-x's reply

This post has been edited by burstroc: 22 June 2006 - 10:18 PM

[asgromo]

burstroc, I don't even know what your standards are, but I think they're stupid. Your music sucks and is certainly not a step up from developing a retro GCS. If you're going to write your own arbitrary baseline for success, go foist it on retards, not a community of socially anxious computer scientists.

Oh, and VinceP, why don't you go do something "mature", you insufferable cock, instead of hanging out here with us nerds.

[VinceP]

What exactly is that supposed to mean, asgromo? I posted my honest opinion, that's all. Are you implying that I called Exo or the community immature?

[sirotrax]

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We don't need Exo. We don't need his em0ness holding back the production of MZX.

Exo put massive amounts of time and energy into updating MZX and I am utterly disgusted by how hideously ungrateful you are for that. Regardless of how insignificant it may seem to you, it is not your place to demean someone else for letting personal struggles get in the way of a voluntary service he offered the community. Please think before you speak so very harshly against someone. :{

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I posted my honest opinion, that's all.

Stating your opinion does not need to be so rude and critical. You could have stated your opinion without saying such things as 'attention whore' and 'em0ness'. There's a thing called tact. Please do try to keep that in mind next time you 'post your honest opinion'.

[VinceP]

I won't back off just because of what Exophase has done before with MZX. It's just my belief that his bitterness and complaints have distracted him and everyone from continuing MZX. Now people are waiting for Exo to make up his mind on wether or not he wants to keep working. How long will that take? We're stuck waiting and wondering wether the rest of the community should take up the project instead.

[Pancake]

sirotrax, on Jun 22 2006, 05:33 PM, said:

Exo put massive amounts of time and energy into updating MZX and I am utterly disgusted by how hideously ungrateful you are for that. Regardless of how insignificant it may seem to you, it is not your place to demean someone else for letting personal struggles get in the way of a voluntary service he offered the community. Please think before you speak so very harshly against someone. :{

Quoted for truth.

Even thought some of us has personal issues or whatever with Exophase, he was an important part of the community. Even thought someone else could take his place, he should be given enough praise for his accomplishments. I'm sure that alot of us still want Exophase to come back.

[weasel]

VinceP, on Jun 22 2006, 02:39 PM, said:

I won't back off just because of what Exophase has done before with MZX. It's just my belief that his bitterness and complaints have distracted him and everyone from continuing MZX. Now people are waiting for Exo to make up his mind on wether or not he wants to keep working. How long will that take? We're stuck waiting and wondering wether the rest of the community should take up the project instead.

There's nothing stopping people from picking up Exo's work right this very second. That's why MZX is open source, right?

[asgromo]

The point is that we do owe Exophase something. He deserves our respect and our patience and even if he's taking things poorly, we can respect that he's a human being and has weaknesses. I think we'll know when we can give MZX development to someone else, whether he tells us or not.

[ajs]

I don't usually post on Junkyard, but Insidious's FUD must stop here..

burstroc, on Jun 22 2006, 10:17 PM, said:

VinceP, on Jun 22 2006, 12:35 PM, said:

if you really think your time is so worthless that you'd want to spend it learning c and the many facets of megazeux's code, don't let me stop you. but like nash was saying, it's probably pretty nice as it is, and doesn't need a whole lot of attention. that is, unless you want to spend your time learning how to fix the *nix port. but that's about 5% as worthwhile as working on the windows version, which is in itself about 1% as worthwhile as working on anything else, ever (except maybe zzt games :[ ).

This is completely nonsense. The "windows version" of MZX is the exact same source as the "*NIX version". Same for Mac. The differences between them are extremely minor, mostly related to the fsafe* code and the clipboard support (both of which, to my knowledge, are bug free).

Insidious was making up utter crap about the *NIX version having bugs that weren't present in other versions. If anything, the bugs that remain are in the OS X version, and not because of UNIX but most probably because of Modplug or endian issues on this platform (both moot as of the new Intel Macs).

Personally, I think MZX is fine. Exophase should release d, just because it's got some important stuff in it, a release isn't hard to do, and the current snapshot works fine. But after that? Nobody should be saying what he can, should, or could have done. There's no such thing as a free lunch, except when Exophase ported us MZX. That was the single best thing that's happened to the community in ages (now all you people with Windows XP on basically any new computer can actually USE it) and it's mostly done. Bugs that remain are not going to be that difficult for others to fix.

--ajs.

[Castlevania]

Exo is a nice guy, one of the best, and we have real life accounts to back this up. Cut him some slack, he's only human afterall. I'm sure he'll come back, but until he does, we're just gonna have to cope (yes, I know it is hard!) and hope that he sorts out whatever he needs to sort out.

EDIT: Typo

This post has been edited by emalkay: 22 June 2006 - 10:56 PM

[VinceP]

[secret]mzx is dying[/secret]

[burstroc]

what the hell

asgr said:

burstroc, I don't even know what your standards are, but I think they're stupid. Your music sucks and is certainly not a step up from developing a retro GCS.

way to jump to the conclusion that i hold my music in a higher regard than i do exo's work on megazeux. that might not have been true, you know! anyway, the whole my music sucking thing is subjective, as is one's opinion on the value of developing for a retro gcs. good argument...

...

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...NOT!!!

omo said:

If you're going to write your own arbitrary baseline for success, go foist it on retards, not a community of socially anxious computer scientists.

i think you have the two switched around. also, way to jump to the conclusion that i'm comparing a man's place in life to my arbitrary baseline for success. even if this was what i was trying to accomplish in this post, you must remember that my baseline for success is a particularly delectable one.

everyone else, stop replying so quickly. :[

[VinceP]

asgromo got pwn3d

[asgromo]

Maybe nothing's true, and everything's subjective, you jackass. I assumed you held your music in higher esteem than this community and this software because you've said, time and time again, that you want your music to take you somewhere (whether you were sincere or not) and you've said, time and time again, that people are wasting their valuable time and energy on this GCS (again, who knows if you were being sincere). But that's not even the point! I don't care if you like your music better than this game! I was insulted because you tactlessly demeaned what I do for fun! That's all it's fucking for, by the way: fun. I try not to lose sight of that.

It's as though you expect everyone to constantly be on your level in everything you say. Maybe being fucking honest in execution, rather than just in meaning, would net you better results in conversation.

And VinceP? I suggest you go suck on someone who isn't going to drag you through the mud with them.

[Terryn]

What in the hell, people. There's four or five threads going on at once, all equally harsh and yet all equally stupid.

Addressing all at once:

1) He left. You can't really derive motive from it from a viewpoint as far away as most of yours are. It's like trying to draw human skin using a sock puppet as your model. Just because it seems like he left solely over sirotrax issues doesn't mean it is.

2) linux lol. ajs lol. insidious lol. (lather, rinse, repeat)

3) Since when is the time of any of us worth anything to begin with? We're around 16-24 here. we don't do anything worth anything ever. Filling that time with messing with MZX's code isn't that much of a step down than with much else, relatively.

4) asgromo hate burstroc burstroc hate asgromo they will fight eternally asgromo vs burstroc

5) Why did I know what VinceP was going to post the second I saw his avatar?

5b) There's tact in this thread? well, I never. really, really surprised to see it after this post, actually. Thanks for raising my standards, however low they still are!

6) Regarding the 2.81d release: Lancer and I would probably know better than anyone on that front and we know nothing. We're at an impasse, since it still seems possible that he'd wrap the thing up. If we knew Exo'd stopped, Lancer would have released already, trust me.

[Pancake]

...asgromo is pissed <:(