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DSDoZ Winter 2014 Judging Sheets and Scores

#1 User is offline   GetDizzy 

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Posted 08 February 2014 - 09:32 PM

Judging Sheets:

Insidious: http://services.cybe...s/insidious.txt
CJA: http://services.cybe...014/sheets/cja/


Final Results:

Disqualified
Team Shin YongYong (Better, but probably still crappy) (35847), Members Giel. Game J52: Quantum Hell. Reason(s): Content produced outside of DoZ period, Plagiarism.

5th place
Team NEKO (19538), Members Tango. Game i0N-DWN. Scores: Insidious: 075/400 CJA: 122/400 Total: 197/800

4th place
Team Tetrahedral Hate Machine (07729), Members ThDPro, TheJMan. Game They Called Me Mad. Scores: Insidious: 300/400 CJA: 241/400 Total: 541/800

3rd place
Team Awesome Bros C.D. (80525), Members KKairos, Electromaniacal. Game Texts From the Future. Scores: Insidious: 325/400 CJA: 285/400 Total: 610/800

2nd place
Team Team Ant (29427), Members Otto, Some ants. Game Subspace Janitor. Scores: Insidious: 308/400 CJA: 319/400 Total: 627/800

Our Winner
Team ・゜゜・*・゜゜・Totally Not Working On † Thanatos Insignia Ⅲ・゜゜・*・゜゜・ (79428), Members Ashley, Alice, A lolilover. Game No True (n). Scores: Insidious: 377/400 CJA: 325/400 Total: 702/800






Congratulations to our winners and we hope to see you again next DoZ.
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Posted 08 February 2014 - 09:42 PM

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Posted 08 February 2014 - 10:56 PM

Good doaz, would doaz again

Aaaaannnd the semi-annual Day of Zeux rules discussion. Let's keep it to spoilers tags so it doesn't garbage up the thread.
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edit: also, good job re: the judging sheets, these are good judging sheets, I just thought you'd like to hear that! usually I complain but these are A-OK sheets

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Posted 09 February 2014 - 12:19 AM

it's weird, after 4 weeks of waiting, I just don't care anymore what the scores are, just that they exist.
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Posted 11 February 2014 - 01:11 AM

Even though he is my bitter rival, I would like to issue an appeal challenging 2 the charges against giel.

Regarding "contempt of competition": I would like to know what the justification for this charge is, it's not obvious what behavior provoked the charge.

Regarding "Plagiarism": I am concerned that because his entry acknowledges at least some of the allegedly plagiarized material as not original, it actually hasn't plagiarized them. Given that providing this information seems to sabotage any possible serious attempt one could have to plagiarize any material, it seems unreasonable to assume this behavior can be construed to be anything else but a fair use parody. Specifically, it seems giel's entry was parodying giel's habitual plagiarism, and therefore probably can't be described fairly as plagiarism.

I provide no challenge to the charge that giel's entry used content created outside the DoZ period, and that he should be disqualified for that.
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Posted 11 February 2014 - 01:31 AM

I should further volunteer, as one of the people responsible for the "contempt of competition" rule, when we made that rule what we were actually trying to establish was a "contempt of the competition" rule, ("the competition" being a reference to, "the DoZ").

The purpose of the rule was to punish extreme unsporting behavior such as sabotaging other peoples entries, trying to damage people's megazeux directories and so on, which might not actually be directly tied to a contestants submission. (see asie's attempt to submit fake patches for other people's entries).

The rule was not intended to punish people for either not being competitive, or as redundant "don't break the rules" rule. If some one breaks a rule like using material from outside the DoZ period, DQ them for that, if their game is awful or incomplete, score it appropriately. In the case of an incomplete or poor entry, the final score is precisely where the punishment should occur.

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Posted 11 February 2014 - 01:53 AM

View PostRisu2112, on 11 February 2014 - 11:11 AM, said:

Regarding "Plagiarism": I am concerned that because his entry acknowledges at least some of the allegedly plagiarized material as not original, it actually hasn't plagiarized them. Given that providing this information seems to sabotage any possible serious attempt one could have to plagiarize any material, it seems unreasonable to assume this behavior can be construed to be anything else but a fair use parody. Specifically, it seems giel's entry was parodying giel's habitual plagiarism, and therefore probably can't be described fairly as plagiarism.

Parody or not, he didn't acknowledge all of it. Even if we accept the Cans 3, Chrono Wars and Univers! boards as parody, the use of e.g. the Engine 2 font doesn't contribute it and besides, it is never acknowledged. Hence it still counts as plagiarism.

That said, plagiarism is not a DQ-able offense in a DoZ. Using material created outside the DoZ is and using stuff created by someone else during the DoZ who isn't in your team is, but there is nothing in the rules about plagiarism.
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Posted 11 February 2014 - 04:13 AM

View PostLancer-X, on 10 February 2014 - 05:53 PM, said:

Parody or not, he didn't acknowledge all of it. Even if we accept the Cans 3, Chrono Wars and Univers! boards as parody, the use of e.g. the Engine 2 font doesn't contribute it and besides, it is never acknowledged. Hence it still counts as plagiarism.

That said, plagiarism is not a DQ-able offense in a DoZ. Using material created outside the DoZ is and using stuff created by someone else during the DoZ who isn't in your team is, but there is nothing in the rules about plagiarism.


I think it's more reasonable to assume the omissions are accidentally not listed than it is to assume giel deliberately tried to trick everyone into believing the content not listed was original in contrast to the specifically listed items. I think if someones goal is to steal another's work, one of the worst strategies they could employ is to first remind everyone about plagiarism.
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Posted 13 February 2014 - 06:40 PM

Where did insid go :<
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Posted 14 February 2014 - 02:52 AM

He was primarily disqualified for the rule of bringing in material created outside of the DoZ. The other two are more of addenda. Regarding plagiarism, Lancer has said most of what I wanted to say. I was not aware Plagiarism is not in and of itself a DQable offense in a DoZ. I think it should be something that is at least noted when somebody's use of material outside of the DoZ is specifically plagiarism in nature, and it is in this spirit that Plagiarism was added as an addenda to his disqualification.

Regarding contempt of competition, I may have misused this particular disqualification rule. I will not say further in an attempt to avoid causing further problems with Giel and otherwise, suffice to say I felt that certain actions impeded my ability to properly close out the competition.

I will, for now, remove that from the top post.

The plagiarism still stands.
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Posted 14 February 2014 - 03:02 AM

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