[Pyro1588]

for those of you who aren't aware, some guy thinks he can make some money by threatening to kill and eat a little rabbit if he doesn't get 50 grand by the end of june. and the sad part is, he's already halfway there.

pardon me for saying this, but I THINK THIS IS THE MOST PATHETIC THING EVER! i mean, does it matter? it's a rabbit. we eat lots of different animals all the time and people aren't paying 50k to save cows in a slaughterhouse.
also, since this worked so well, i wouldn't be surprised if we start seeing more websites like this. also, when you think about it, if everyone ignored this guy, he probably wouldn't eat the rabbit anyway.

DISCUSS

also, that toby stew recipe sounds really really good. and i'm hungry right now.

[Nedemai]

This is wrong in so many ways.... First I want to say YOU DON'T EAT YOUR PETS, that is why animals are raised for slaughter in the barbaric society that we live in. I also would like to mention that this person from what I am reading seems very disturbed, and would probably use such money to further other projects of equally distasteful nature.

Those are my two cents....

[Terryn]

[url="http://www.snopes.com/critters/crusader/savetoby.asp"]http://www.snopes.co...er/savetoby.asp[/url]

[Nedemai]

Well now I just feel like an idiot.....

[Xombie]

XD
I'm SO jealous that I didn't think of that! capitalize on all the crazy animal people. pfft, animals. why isnt there any groups for the ethical treatment of plants? maybe I can start that instead and badger PETA for causing needless deaths of countless plants. animals are more tasty anyway, so why should we eat plants? heh. I guess maybe I could start carnivores anonymous. hmm...

[asgromo]

Xombie, on Apr 22 2005, 12:33 PM, said:

animals are more tasty anyway, so why should we eat plants? heh. I guess maybe I could start carnivores anonymous. hmm...

I think they cover that with "animals have feelings too plz"

[Torte]

Hahaha, this is the greatest thing to have happened ever. Gotta love how easily people fall for some stuff eh?

[Xombie]

I'm sorry asgromo, but I really can't understand what you are trying to say. and if it was meant to be serious, you should know that I was only saying random nonsense.

[hob nado]

Snopes.com: Taking the Fun Out of Everything Since 1909.

I swear, that site must be run by some of the most humorless bastards this side of grumble grumble.

"Claim: Santa Claus.

Status: False."

Kid: "Waaaaaaaaaahhhhh-"

[Mr. Apol]

To be completely honest though, rabbits, however cute, are a great food source. They're wholesome, tasty, and use up FAR less resources on a pound by pound basis versus cows. They're not QUITE as efficient as chickens, but they are cheap and breed like crazy.

[commodorejohn]

On an ethical basis, I don't give a crap if someone eats a rabbit. It's a stupid little animal, but people get worked up just because it's cuter than, say, a goat. However, I tried rabbit once and found it very mushy. Commodorejohn does not like mushy meat.
At that same gathering, I also got to try venison and bear. If you're wondering, venison is good, but leaves a lard-y feeling on the roof of your mouth, while bear is like a richer version of beef.
(Grouse has gotta be my favorite wild meat, though. It's like turkey but with an overtone of corn flavor. No, really.)

Commodorejohn - eating small cute animals without remorse since 1985.

This post has been edited by commodorejohn: 22 April 2005 - 07:49 PM

[Terryn]

Man, I hate deer salami. Hate. Back in the days when I was in boy scouts, my scoutmaster would often bring a batch of it he made after hunting. Everyone else liked it, but I never could.

Regarding "exotic" meats, I want to try buffalo. I hear it's very healthy and good at the same time, but of course it's expensive.

[duvel]

Dude, that's no fair. People around here eat rabbits a LOT . Why don't THEY get 50 grand?

[Seventh Shade]

Buffalo is rather good. So is boar jerky. Boar seems to have a slightly spicy flavor on it's own even without jerky spices. One of these days I'd like to try rattlesnake.

[ShloobeR]

the same reason the guys who make those websites don't.

[Nedemai]

This reminds me of the hoax with the bonsai kittens. My school almost held a rally against it or something, when I was in highschool, then we found out the truth.

http://www.snopes.co...ader/bonsai.asp"]Bonsai Kitten Hoax

[Pyro1588]

oh man do i feel stupid. i read it in a fairly large magazine (worldmag.com) and didn't verify. oh well, it's not the first time i've been stupid.

anywho, grouse is good. yum. venison is not.

[Revvy]

Reindeer is actually kind of chewy and I didn't enjoy it very much when I had it in Finland.

My two cents ^__^

[Galladin]

Revvy, on Apr 25 2005, 07:00 PM, said:

Reindeer is actually kind of chewy and I didn't enjoy it very much when I had it in Finland.

My two cents ^__^

Blasphemy!

I like dried reindeer meat...it's yummy...but usually pretty salty, too

EDIT: However, I do not like moose.

[Koji]

Yes it's just a rabbit yeah in some cultures it's a pet and in others it's food

But you know the real reason behind this site ISN'T to save tobe. It's actually a creative way to get you to donate. Seriously, I'm willing to bet that the money they get from people who are saying stuff like "OH NO POOR RABBIT *donates a dollar*" isn't HALF used to feed and keep up with the rabbit

I'm sure that the person behind this site it making alot of money with this. Hell they probably don't even need a full time job.

[ShloobeR]

koji, you are being ... sarcastic right?

[Pyro1588]

how does reindeer meat compare to normal venison?

[Noiprox]

Animals can suffer, and it's not funny.
Humans are just animals. Is human suffering funny?
Could you skin a rabbit alive and look it in the eyes while it bleeds to death?
What's different, morally, about condoning someone else doing it?

[Xombie]

christian point of view: animals don't have a living soul the way humans do, so they aren't on the same level as us. (this is pretty much a direct quote from a christian friend of mine)

naturalist point of view: animals are lower than us on the food chain. we can do anything we want to them, just as something above us would have free range over any human it got its hands/claws/capturing device on. this would be my point of view on savetoby were it not a joke.

my point of view: I think it would be funny if someone posted a page threatening to eat one of their buddies unless a large fund is raised. it wouldn't be real. and if it was, there would be a quick legal end to it. this isn't real, so it is funny. in the same way that "kill bill"'s needlessly large amount of dismemberment and bleeding was funny.

[Noiprox]

Xombie, on Apr 28 2005, 10:14 PM, said:

christian point of view: animals don't have a living soul the way humans do, so they aren't on the same level as us. (this is pretty much a direct quote from a christian friend of mine)

naturalist point of view: animals are lower than us on the food chain. we can do anything we want to them, just as something above us would have free range over any human it got its hands/claws/capturing device on. this would be my point of view on savetoby were it not a joke.

my point of view: I think it would be funny if someone posted a page threatening to eat one of their buddies unless a large fund is raised. it wouldn't be real. and if it was, there would be a quick legal end to it. this isn't real, so it is funny. in the same way that "kill bill"'s needlessly large amount of dismemberment and bleeding was funny.

In response to the christian point of view: Does the Universe revolve around the Earth?

There wouldn't actually be any legal end to it because it is not illegal.
The question is whether it is moral or not.

I have a way to test your convictions. Go kill a pig with a knife. In fact, why not torture it first? Hell, let's be natural: go wrestle naked with a Boar until you manage to kill it (or not). If you can do that, you will have demonstrated that indeed you believe to the core of your being that anything below you in the food chain deserves to suffer. Until you've actually tortured or killed an animal, you haven't really proven that you do believe that. Frankly I hope you never do. What about people? For example black people or native americans. They're lower on the food chain than western europeans, because we had guns, right? Men should just go around raping women because we're stronger and we want them, right? Nice.

The naturalist point of view is invalidated as soon as tools come into play, because they aren't natural. If you claim they are natural, then firstly you ignore the effect of technology (!) and secondly you are basically arguing that might is right. In other words, you're placing humans at the most basic level of savagery, below some of the more intelligent animals such as Elephants and Wolves.

This post has been edited by Noiprox: 29 April 2005 - 12:24 AM

[hob nado]

Oh no we don't, we just HAD one of these, thank you very much. Really, Noiprox, you're blowing things so far out of proportion I'm not sure where to start. Responding to your arguments cohesively is turning out like trying to wade through a pool of warm Laffy Taffy, so I'll just say this: No. Just...don't bring stuff like that. No.

[Terryn]

NATURAL FALLACY

Just because something's natural doesn't make it correct.

please, everybody, beat this into your heads.

Naturalists don't make sure EVERYTHING natural is done in the same way modern libertarianism doesn't correlate to anarchy.

[Trev-MUN]

While I'd have some things to say, I agree with Es and therefore am not going to even honor the attempts made on this thread to turn it into a religious "discussion."

So instead. I'm going to focus on PETA and supporters of them, or at least people who agree with them. I suspect Nedemai is to some degree since she says humans are barbaric.

Look, if you're going to call humans 'barbaric' because we happen to be life forms that require things such as protein which can be found only on other living beings, why don't you work towards finding a way for humans to live WITHOUT having to consume ANY life?

Humans have a hard time living without certain things that come from meat. If I could find the news story on it, I would, but I'd like to point out that two vegans were arrested for child abuse because they refused to feed their newborn child anything that was a dairy or meat product. As a result, the baby was getting sick and developing various conditions from lack of nutrients commonly found in those sources.

The funny thing is, PETA is always bawling about how "if you serve a hamburger to your kids you're committing child abuse!!!!!!111"

I'm not kidding either. Take a look around that site. Anyone who is in their right mind wouldn't support these guys.

This post has been edited by Trev-MUN: 29 April 2005 - 01:49 AM

[Noiprox]

Esdemo1, on Apr 29 2005, 12:45 AM, said:

Oh no we don't, we just HAD one of these, thank you very much. Really, Noiprox, you're blowing things so far out of proportion I'm not sure where to start. Responding to your arguments cohesively is turning out like trying to wade through a pool of warm Laffy Taffy, so I'll just say this: No. Just...don't bring stuff like that. No.

Out of proportion? Have you seen an animal being tortured to death?

[hob nado]

See, it's out of proportion because nobody mentioned animals being tortured to death except for you.